I just read about this conspiracy theory and it struck me it would easily get some takers among the "skeptics" here.
* Robert Zubrin, National Review, May 13: Did Putin Plan the Odessa Massacre? He has certainly exploited it
Re: the May 2 incident leading to a fire and dozens of deaths at the Trade Unions Hall in Odessa, Ukraine, May 2, 2014.
Summary: an article-length, restatement of that idea, with disputable historuical precedents and no apparent knowledge of the incident details (a trait he rightly presumes his readers will share).
Essence quote:
The devil will be in the details, huh?
What do we know about this incident from mainstream news report? I know a bit from other sources, but from CNN et al. it seems rather vague to me - there was a clash, separatists apparently started it, they occupied some Trade Unions building that wound up catching fire, some 40 or so people died, apparently all on the bad guy side, and it was likely their own fault.
What has the forum at large heard about this? What do you think/believe about it? Have you checked how the reports line up with the visual evidence, for example? I've looked a bit, but would rather hear what people already think.
ETA: I should just paste this here, a note and a starter point on one of the details:
For good form, if Putin's not being blamed, we don't call it a massacre: Most people call it nothing, but Wikipedia has a page for May, 2014 Odessa Clashes. It just went badly for one side, who started it, by the way.
Masked militants with red armbands are blamed for firing the first provocative shots (see here for example). Here's a supposed photo of them, organized and attentive as some uniformed officer tells them what to do, apparently before provoking a mob and then disappearing behind police protection, to leave the mob ready to go witness an accidental fire that killed a diifferent group of bad guys.
So the CT would say these clearly pro-Russian militants were sent by Putin to trick the mob into getting around that building when it started burning - to frame them. Or maybe not. But who's this officer? What kind of uniform is that? He's one of the former spymaster's agents. right? The source I found it at (Globalresearch, citing Oriental Review) says it's “Odessa Interior ministry branch Colonel Dmitry Fucheji.” But that's a source that won't fly with many, and that doesn't fit the CT.
Any other thoughts on who that is setting up the provocation Putin has so massively exploited?
* Robert Zubrin, National Review, May 13: Did Putin Plan the Odessa Massacre? He has certainly exploited it
Re: the May 2 incident leading to a fire and dozens of deaths at the Trade Unions Hall in Odessa, Ukraine, May 2, 2014.
Summary: an article-length, restatement of that idea, with disputable historuical precedents and no apparent knowledge of the incident details (a trait he rightly presumes his readers will share).
Essence quote:
Quote:
in eliminating dissent and unifying Putin’s subjects into a mad herd behind his plans for war and fascism, the massacre could hardly have better served his aims and objectives if the former spymaster had planned it himself. So the question is, did he? ... there is no question that Putin had the motive, capability, and character to arrange for the Odessa massacre. Furthermore, he is the only one of the potential suspects to have, in addition to those characteristics, a history of prior comparable acts. |
The devil will be in the details, huh?
What do we know about this incident from mainstream news report? I know a bit from other sources, but from CNN et al. it seems rather vague to me - there was a clash, separatists apparently started it, they occupied some Trade Unions building that wound up catching fire, some 40 or so people died, apparently all on the bad guy side, and it was likely their own fault.
What has the forum at large heard about this? What do you think/believe about it? Have you checked how the reports line up with the visual evidence, for example? I've looked a bit, but would rather hear what people already think.
ETA: I should just paste this here, a note and a starter point on one of the details:
For good form, if Putin's not being blamed, we don't call it a massacre: Most people call it nothing, but Wikipedia has a page for May, 2014 Odessa Clashes. It just went badly for one side, who started it, by the way.
Masked militants with red armbands are blamed for firing the first provocative shots (see here for example). Here's a supposed photo of them, organized and attentive as some uniformed officer tells them what to do, apparently before provoking a mob and then disappearing behind police protection, to leave the mob ready to go witness an accidental fire that killed a diifferent group of bad guys.
So the CT would say these clearly pro-Russian militants were sent by Putin to trick the mob into getting around that building when it started burning - to frame them. Or maybe not. But who's this officer? What kind of uniform is that? He's one of the former spymaster's agents. right? The source I found it at (Globalresearch, citing Oriental Review) says it's “Odessa Interior ministry branch Colonel Dmitry Fucheji.” But that's a source that won't fly with many, and that doesn't fit the CT.
Any other thoughts on who that is setting up the provocation Putin has so massively exploited?
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